Kerfuffle over a quandary: My take on the female conference speaker debate

The largest number of women to attend Kinnernet, photo by Barak Berkowitz
It’s a fact. When you look at the agendas for top tech gatherings – whether social media focused or not – there are blessed few women on the stage. Period. Though this issue has percolated to the top of the meme stream of late, thanks in part to this post by TSG (about which I’ll comment more specifically a bit later in this post) the idea that this is somehow new or different is far from true.
What is true, however, is that it’s time to stop talking about it, and take action. Big time.
No matter how you slice it this is a complex topic and one with which I have found myself confronted very directly in the last several years in my role helping produce/content curate for a number of major technology gatherings. On more than one occasion I have found myself torn because while I am as big a proponent as any for supporting women in business, the plain fact is that it’s a numbers game. There are just fewer women from whom to choose. I’m not suggesting there aren’t smart, accomplished, capable women available to speak on pretty much any topic, but let’s face it. When you look around any given room at any given conference and do the math – apart from BlogHer or other gatherings by women-inclined organizations – if you find a room where the percentage of female presence is anything more than 5% to 10%, I’ll buy you lunch.
Then there’s the other math – qualifications. For several years I had the pleasure of working with Loic and Geraldine Le Meur on their LeWeb conference. When it came time to pick speakers for the stage, the first criteria was putting the most well-versed, articulate and, yes, entertaining, speakers on the stage. They were equally as concerned that those speakers represent a solid cross-section of the best voices possible. Many of those speakers were men, but in any and all cases where there was a chance to book a qualified woman, it was done.
In looking at the LeWeb agenda for this year (for the record, I’m not working on the 2009 conference, but will be in attendance and who knows, if there’s an appropriate fit maybe I’ll get to speak ), along with that of the upcoming Supernova, you might say, “Um, Cathy … the numbers still look pretty small overall, are you suggesting that there aren’t more women than this?”
I’m not suggesting that at all, but as I’ve said, and as was also stated in this comment by Jen Pahlka, posted by Tim O’Reilly in response to the WomenWhoTech petition, it’s about quality first.
So that’s the part of my post where I acknowledge that we can’t change several hundred years of Old Boy Network behavior overnight, that we *have* made progress and that when it comes to booking speakers it’s most important to first ensure you have the best voices.
And this is where the gloves come off.
For starters, while the numbers are small the qualified women do exist and for any conference organizer, or speakers bureau, to claim ignorance that there’s an overall lack of women on stage … is a joke. One need only attend a few tech-oriented gatherings to immediately sense the gender imbalance. It also doesn’t take long in any of those rooms to recognize that the depth of knowledge at any given geek fest is not gender exclusive – especially when it comes to social media.
I’m going to eschew any further debate about whether TSG did or didn’t or they have or haven’t. Bottom line is that TSG’s list was weak, they’ve acknowledged as such, and at least as seen in this Q&A with a Technically Women pal and ZDNet Journalist, Jennifer Leggio, they seem to be at least making noises about doing the right thing moving forward.
Great.
So now what?
As another Technically Woman colleague and social media leader who should have (in my opinion) been on that TSG list, Maggie Fox, articulates in her post here, some baseline criteria are a good start. It’s also important, as it is for any minority group, both to circle the wagons and support each other. Frankly I think for the most part women have the circling the wagons part pretty well in hand. The part where I believe change must take place is the same spot that most minorities fall down, and that is in reaching outside of their group, forming bridges to all those “other” – you know, the ones whose numbers shadow them?
This isn’t just about women stepping up, speaking up and breaking old conventions to do more self-promotion. This is also about those who are our allies making sure they’re looking out for us too.
Before you tsk tsk me and say that sounds awfully like I’m going all doe-eyed and asking for the men to help us … well … I am … I’m asking them to help, but I’m certainly not batting my eyelashes when I do it.
This isn’t about beseeching the boys, this is my strident call to action saying: step up or step off.
By step up, I mean more than just commenting on blog posts or writing posts of your own. These things are great and are incredibly helpful, but they are merely part of the equation. How about opening up your own platforms to their voices, just as you know they would do for you? Case in point, after talking with Brian Solis at Twiistup about this very subject, Brian thought for a moment, said he’d like to help and then asked if I would be willing to contribute to his blog and bring the conversation there. So that’s precisely what I’m going to do.
Here’s another idea … if you wish to truly walk the walk and talk the talk that you support more women on the stage, the next time you find yourself invited to be on a panel, perhaps one of the questions you can ask is whether there are any women (or any other minorities for that matter, if you happen to also be a white male) are included. If there aren’t and if you know of someone who fits the bill, perhaps you can suggest her.
Ready to be a bit more bold? How about next time you find yourself on a pre-panel conference call or email thread and see that there’s an embarrassing gap where a woman’s voice might be relevant, you say that unless the panel gets a bit more diversity, you’ll graciously decline participating.
Oh, and as for that step off part, I think that’s pretty self-explanatory.


Great post, Cathy! And you’re right – we need to work together on this. When I tweeted my post from yesterday, I was enormously gratified to see the number of men (you know, the vast majority in the tech world) sharing and commenting. This is an all of us issue, and frankly, unless we get some broad support (pardon the pun:) we’re just going to be talking to ourselves.
This issue has come up again and again, but somehow this time it feels different. I’m hopeful we’re *all* pushing towards real change, if only by getting people to wake up and REALLY think about it.
by maggiefox
on 07. Aug, 2009
Thank you, Maggie. I’d say your criteria are a great start as well and see no reason why we can’t all start to crowd source a plan for resolving this. It’s imminently fixable – especially with the tools at our fingertips.
In fact, as I noted, Brian Solis very graciously offered to help foster more dialogue on this. I’ve heard of several efforts in the last couple of weeks where groups of people are working together to create lists of speakers, set criteria for speakers, encouraging speaker bureaus to diversify their stables … that sort of thing.
Of course all of these efforts are moving independently of each other and I think that if we can get all those oars in the water at the same time, there’s no distance we can’t cover.
That’s the angle I’ll be taking on Brian’s blog, looking at the tactical steps … herding the cats, as it were …
by Cathy Brooks
on 07. Aug, 2009
Amazing points, Cathy. I’ve definitely heard a lot of guff about the TSG post and the inequalities that women are facing compared to men when it comes to finding a good speaker. Definitely liked your succinct point – step up or step off. I get it. It’s like put your money where your mouth is if you’re going to say “hey, I want to do something about this.” and Brian has done a great job of offering his blog for you to reach out to a larger audience. Congratulations!
And I think I *may* have to disagree with you as to the percentage of women in the room at a given conference bordering along the lines of 5-10% (although granted my math skills suck). I remember being at Startup Weekend in San Francisco and during the first day there were a lot of women in the room offering ideas and teaming up with people – they were developers, designers, marketers, etc. The same goes with WordCamp SF. I’m at a few events here in the city and while I see a lot of men at these things, it doesn’t mean that everyone is on the lookout for the proverbial “unicorn” – the one lady who will walk in the room that can talk tech. There are lots of women who can speak eloquently and quite well about the subject and there are more than one might think at these events.
Granted that you and I don’t go to the same parties and might have the same crowds, but these women could also be considered potential speakers at a conference one day. Just my two cents.
by Kenneth Yeung
on 08. Aug, 2009
Great post Cathy!
Other business sectors are currently experiencing the same self awareness. Your post reminded me of one @aimeenbarnes wrote recently on the lack of female voices in China business.
Check out the picture of her (far left) and that’s pretty much what it feels like to be a woman involved in cross border China business.
http://www.aimeebarnes.com/blog/?p=688
Inspiring post with great points that can be applied to other sectors as well. At least the one Aimee and I are involved in.
Thanks!
Christine
by Christine
on 08. Aug, 2009
Great post! I completely agree with quality, but I have serious problems w/ some continual speakers who lack quality and depth on subjects speaking because they present well. While there is value in this there needs to be greater value on depth, experience, and moving forward. To get there we all need to improve our presentation skills.
I am a giant fan of Maggie Fox, Deb Schultz, Mary Hodder (I have Mary speaking at an upcoming conference of mine), and many others. I am a fan because they have great depth, great understanding, great experience, and valuable insights to share that are garnered from these building blocks.
I see far too often people speaking with lack the important elements for sharing on rosters for speaking. That really needs to stop. When an environment that is based on meritocracy overlooks merit for sheen, there is a serious problem with the culture and community. As I see it the culture is broken now as merit and people with real value to the community that needs these insights are not getting enough of a voice in the community.
by vanderwal
on 09. Aug, 2009
Thanks for your comments, everyone. Ken, to your point … there are definitely *some* gatherings where there are more women – they tend *not*, however, to be the higher level, higher visibility events about which I’m really talking …
Even events like Twiistup had a low female percentage on stage (FWIW I will say that in my opinion with only one exception all the women on stage at Twiistup were AMAZING … would merely have liked to see a few more represented) …
This is a systemic problem … but one that we can change. I don’t know that the number of women overall in the industry will increase dramatically but we can sure give voice to those who are already here … which may very well encourage more to come in.
by Cathy Brooks
on 11. Aug, 2009
I’m the producer of Twiistup and the primary qualifiers I look for when putting someone on stage are 1. Audience Draw and 2. Qualifications. A speaker’s sex is usually irrelevant to me…I say “usually” because when I noticed I had relatively few female speakers, I actively went out and recruited more.
As an event producer who holds strict standards for putting qualified people on stage, I turned down lots of Men and Women, but only the women accused me of being a chauvinist and pulled the “sex” card. Since when did simply being a woman automatically qualify someone to speak at a high level event with multi-exit tech entrepreneurs and VC’s?
The world of Social Media has only made matters worse. I can’t begin to tell you the number of people (women) who claimed that their Twitter follower count qualified them to be a speaker. Instead of recognizing that a big Twitter account is not the same as co-founding a company that sold for $565 million or being an early investor in Facebook and CEO of Zivity (two of my female speakers), I was attacked and accused of being sexist. Does this really help the cause of women in technology?? I don’t think so.
I plan on working with Cathy to help me reach more women – I’d love to have them on stage – but I’m not going to put unqualified women on stage simply because of their sex. If women in technology (or anyone for that matter) want to be taken seriously, then they must be willing to be measured against the best regardless of gender or race or any other “excuse.” Complaining about sexism when legitimate qualifications were the only measure of selection, only reinforces negative stereotypes of women and hurts the cause of women as a whole.
by Francisco Dao
on 11. Aug, 2009
Francisco, you bring up an incredibly valuable point – volume of Twitter followers does not an influencer make. Nor do most of the major measurements, IMO, that folks seem so bent on using. Are they a factor? Sure. After all, if you don’t *have* a network, then you don’t really have any influence … but I would say this is a case where size is relevant but not necessarily the core importance. As far as Twiistup, to your credit I will say that I felt all of the women who you booked for panels/stage talks and certainly the one female startup CEO most definitely “have the goods’” when it comes to being credible, smart, solid representations of women in the industry. To say, though, that the overall program was a representation of the breadth of talent of the industry, I don’t know that I could agree. BUT your openness to discussing and talking about the ways to tackle this in a way that fairly represents all minorities and does so in a way that also pays mind to the need for stellar stage content – well, I for one look forward to seeing your next Twiistup and am eager to help you in any way!
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Great blog. I wanted to share with you how I made it to this site to read your blog. It was from another BLOG. I think that just bringing the subject up will help. And if it doesn’t help, then bring it up again, and again. If you can take action do take action. But sometimes it is hard to get the ball rolling.
Here’s the blog post I read, it is another excellent blog:
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